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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Jun 18, 2014 3:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: GDTRFB 72 >81 . What changed ?

In my post on “Go to Nassau” , I mentioned how I felt that the GDTRFB was “graceless and clumsy”, when compared to the 72 ones I had been listening to prior . And this made me wonder at what point did it get this way . Now upfront, this is purely subjective , and there were some great versions of the song up till the end (some ones with Bruce , come to mind) . But I have felt that there was something sweet and soulful that diminished with time . This song entered their shows in a time when they were steeped in country music . My feeling is that as the years went on they moved bit by bit, away form the country feel . I think this, and the return of Mickey Hart, and the eventual, general coarsening of their rhythmic feel, hurt the “sweet” aspect of the song . I don’t know enough about the nuts and bolts of music to astutely define what I am alluding to, but I will try .
This is not an overall review of the song, i am mainly sticking to the feel of the song, and how it changed from 72-81, not the singing, or Garcia’s big solos . What made this easier,was the first minute, or so, could tell you what was going on . How loud, or fast Garcia played the rolling into figure, how is the rest of the band (especially the drummers) take to it , and if did he perform that introductory lead solo, that is usually close to the melody . In, my book this is a highlight . This gives you that warm feeling, that Garcia was so good at, and few others could do .
What surprised me was how varied their approach could be . This could fill a book, so I will be (mercifully) brief .
So here is my round up .
1972 I think is the peak year for this song, the Europe tour, and the rest of the year are home to many wonderful version of this song . They played it 39 times . Most of the ones i sampled from 73 were similar (19 times) And most of the ones I listened from 74,(14 times) with some rhythmic variety, still “had it “.

https://archive.org/details/gd1974-02-24.sbd.miller.116902.flac16
Really nice .

https://archive.org/details/gd1974-10-18.BEAR.gems.110558.flac24
Oddly, on the cd , it appears they edited out the that into solo on the Dead movie set

One From the Vault (8/13/75)
First one with Hart back . That solo is skipped here .

https://archive.org/details/gd75-09-28.sbd.bertha-ashley.22257.sbeok.shnf
The skip is here also, and too fast for my taste .

https://archive.org/details/gd1976-07-17.sbd.fricker-fix.tetzeli.34708.sbefail.flac16
Maybe the best of the 6 from 76 . The intro is back .

https://archive.org/details/gd1976-10-01.aud.unknown.118467.flac2496
Weir loud , a little driven. Garcia good

https://archive.org/details/gd1977-05-26.sbd.wizard.32302.shnf
A real good one from 77 . They did 7 this year .

hhttps://archive.org/details/gd1977-10-28.sbd.miller.96159.sbeok.flac16
last one of 77 . The two drummers “problem” is here, a bit earthbound .

https://archive.org/details/gd1978-05-14.sbd.miller.108996.flac16
The first of 7 in 78 in the 6 month gap it lost that into .

https://archive.org/details/gd1978-06-04.sbd.cantor.miller.94407.sbeok.flac16
It’s back . Ditto 6/25

10/22 no, 11/14 no

https://archive.org/details/gd1978-12-12.sbd.123741.miller.flac16
Back again .
12/30 no

https://archive.org/details/gd79-01-12.claridge.kempka.309.sbeok.shnf
The only one from 79 . No intro, and sort of clumpy .

https://archive.org/details/gd1980-04-28.fob.glassberg.motb.0040.88858.sbeok.flac16
First of 12 in 1980 . Standard for the rest of of the year . No into, Brent on organ . The country feel is mostly gone by now .

https://archive.org/details/gd1980-12-27.nak300.walker-scotton.miller.89269.sbeok.flac16
The only one with that guitar statement of theme .

https://archive.org/details/gd81-02-26.sbd.lutch.4597.sbeok.shnf
All the 81 shows I sampled were of the standard 1980 variety . This one is unusual in that it has Garcia do a guitar intro that sounds like a train horn . Sort of fits this evolution of this song, form a gentle loping horse ride, to the more choppy freight train feel of the latter ones .
It is interesting that this was not a constant, even evolution . There were still versions in 77 that felt like the more smooth ones from 72, and that is with the extra drummer . There are manny facts that changed the sound of the band, but as the band got older their tastes changed, and to some extent the reason the a later versions are the way they are is because they wanted it that way .

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Poster: c-freedom Date: Jun 18, 2014 4:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GDTRFB 72 >81 . What changed ?

Hey Dudley Dead
What about Donna? Although I generally think GDTRFB is too fast for the sweeter range of her voice. (It is thankfully not as challenging for her as N.F.A because to me if anyone has a beef with Donna it should be for N.F.A.) But most of what you picked for highlight involves Donna.
Which also begs the question what about Keith, The more shows I listen to the more aware I am that Keith by 78 was becoming a non-factor in many jams. But do those 73-77 G.D.T.R.F.B have anything to do with how nice Keith was in his time.
Also what do you think of Brent's effect on G.D.T.R.B.
I really came to love Brent but this is one song that I would say was not helped by Brent in any way shape or form.
In fact I might as well say (And this is probably subjective ) but I don't ever remember leaving a show 84-93 and being like that was a great G.D.T.R.F.B.
In fact the only versions of G.D.T.R.F.B that I was really into on tape from that 84-93 period where from 1985 when they were playing them pre-drums and that was completely different from the way the tune went in the 70's.
I will gladly check out your links because I loved the tune in the early years.(and yes tempo in the later years is an over riding factor because the 85 GDTRFB I considered a dance tune and not dare I say a good old fashioned revival number)
Besides the Mickey question don't discount Pigpen in 72. Just his vibe was enough to power this tune.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Jun 18, 2014 5:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GDTRFB 72 >81 . What changed ?

I am a Keith man, and yes I think he was plus in this song . One of the factors in making 78 a less that first class year is the decline of Keith . I should note i like the pre Keith ones also, but just not as much . I like the build,in this song from wistful, smiling through sadness to combustible joy . Donna is okin this one, though those screams ant the end, if she is too high i the mix...
Don't want to bag on Brent, you can hear the song going into a more chunky direction in some of those late K&D versions . But when they brought it back in 80, It just is not the same for me, and some of that is Brent .
As for the Pig factor, there are plenty of great versions without him, but just maybe he is a contribution factor to the extra specialness of the E72 ones .

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Poster: c-freedom Date: Jun 19, 2014 2:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GDTRFB 72 >81 . What changed ?

Hey Dudley Dead;
Keith is such a big part of why I like 72-74. (Hornsby gave me some flashback feels when he was briefly on the scene with the piano)
Yeah, I am working my way through the GDTRFB that you linked. I like Donna in the mellower harmonies but when the song peaks toward the end I get the NFA over the top feel and when her and Bobby do the scream fest I start to tune out.(Although I am sure it was fun live)
Good point about Pigpen because he stayed off stage when and where he chose in the show, and in 72 I hear less and less of him when he is not leading on vocals. (Sometimes I can pick him out on UJB doing harmonies.)

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Poster: ColdRain108 Date: Jun 18, 2014 6:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GDTRFB 72 >81 . What changed ?

https://archive.org/details/gd1982-07-29.naks.mason.129722.flac16

With intro solo and Brent playing the piano which gives it a much different feel - a bit slower than most 80's versions, one of my favorites from the era.



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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Jun 18, 2014 7:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GDTRFB 72 >81 . What changed ?

Cool, I was going to a ask if anyone knew of a show where they brought that solo back . And yeah, a pretty nice version for the era .

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Poster: esreveRDelay Date: Jun 19, 2014 8:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GDTRFB 72 >81 . What changed ?

Although distorted and apparently subbed in with another version on Dave picks. 5/12/77 at the Aud is pretty sweet. The intro is nice and the solos are nice and then you fall off a cliff in a bad way with static.

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Jun 18, 2014 7:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GDTRFB 72 >81 . What changed ?

what changed the dynamic significantly was the dropping of the NFA>GDTRFB medleys and the eventual placement of the tune as a post space song, typically in a wharf rat, around and around, sugar mag sequence of some sort...it's funny you stop at 81, the best version of this song for my money post retirement is 04-25-1983 spectrum, Garcia is on fire, perhaps foregoing the sweet element alluded to, but this version is pretty developed...I am partial to both 04-29-71 and 05-19-1974 if I'm reaching for a version that nails it to the wall...

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Jun 18, 2014 8:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GDTRFB 72 >81 . What changed ?

Why did I stop at 81? Because what I was looking for it's evolution to what it what it became in the 80's . Sort of found what I was looking for . And ... the "spirit is willing..." I got tired . That Philly version IS hot . And it does have an opening solo . If I had the guts, I would go to the end, and also check to see which one dropped the "We Bid You Goodnight" melody etc.
As for the 5/19/74 show, I found all the ones in the year to be interesting, often with Billy, and Keith sort of varying their approaches . The ones I chose were to show continuity with the ones from 72-73 (also they are the first and last in 74) .
There would be a separate category for those pre-Keiths . I know some people think they are the best, and that Fillmore one is up there .
What do you think of those Europe ones ? I though that 5/7 one was a monster . , and the 100 Year Hall One . etc.

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Poster: c-freedom Date: Jun 19, 2014 6:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GDTRFB 72 >81 . What changed ?

I found this on you tube and it is a very nice recording.
Phil and Keith very up front in the mix.
Grateful Dead - Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad 5-14-74
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aLG3VxhLR4

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Poster: Go Faster, Get Rounder Date: Jun 23, 2014 4:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GDTRFB 72 >81 . What changed ?

Check out the one on Providence 9/4/80. It's high energy, but I certainly wouldn't characterize it as choppy.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Jun 20, 2014 8:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GDTRFB 72 >81 . What changed ?

John Mayer did a version of this at NO jazz fest this year. Saw the footage on axs tv. Not bad. Admirable. As for the GD this is yet another tune that was in the rotation regularly then dropped out of sight only to be played on rare occasions. Not sure why.